Alaknár

So, you changed one cloud provider to another…

But let me rephrase: cloud can be significantly cheaper - if you know what you’re doing and what you’re putting on the cloud.

I’ve been to data centres that cost as much as a decade of cloud hosting the service they were supporting (and that’s without operational costs).

Cloud is especially great for small businesses where you have two alternative options: either build your own data centre which you absolutely cannot afford (or risk making it barely operational and unreliable) or host your company at someone else’s DC - which is what cloud is, but worse (because nobody can set up so much resiliency and have so many DC techs/admins as Microsoft or Amazon).

There absolutely are situations where self-hosting is preferable, and even cheaper, but wondering “why do we place so much reliance” on cloud service providers just shows that people have no clue what cloud actually offers.

Put tariffs on everybody who doesn’t host US data on their own cloud services.

Why do we place so much reliance on one mega company? This level of importance.

Because it’s cheaper and (in broad terms) more reliable than everybody having a data centre.

It should be seized by the government.

Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong if the US government owned Amazon!

Hey, thanks! Unfortunately, I’m a very new Linux user (190 days according to fish), so I’ve no idea how or where I would set that parameter.

Lucky you! Mine just crashes when I try to enter Sleep mode leaving both screens on and frozen, and nothing at all working.

I always prefer to wait at least 3 days to see if there is any problem with the update to be honest so i don’5 have to deal with it at all, why risk having my workflow compromised?

True!

Which is why Windows lets you defer updates for around 14 days.

Yeah i agree but out there not everyone is a normie that can barely create a folder, if i want the update to be delayed i shouldn’t be limited by the OS!

The issue is that there are TONNES of grifters out there who will peddle bullshit for Internet clout.

Back in the Windows XP days there used to be legends that if you disabled Windows Update, you’d get 10% extra FPS in games. And people with no clue would go and disable updates…

So, I’m glad I’m not forced to update on Linux. But I’m much more glad that Windows, with its, what, 75% market share, does force updates. We (as a civilisation) have already proven that we’re not mature enough to be allowed to disable them.

Yeah right…come to tell this again when you DON’T want an update

As a guy who worked in IT for the past 20 years - yeah, fuck that, force the general public to update. I’d add a feature that if they try to fuck with the update system they get whipped.

There’s enough botnets already.

because it may break something like what happened with SSDs

That happened to, what? 0,000001% of devices? And got fixed pretty quickly - more than enough time for the built-in defer update options.

Right now that i was about to close my laptop because i have to exit my damn school

Set your Active Hours, mate…

At least with a Fedora i can just choose when i need it or with debian i don’t have to update often and if i must say at least with Linux i have to reboot my system only when the kernel get an update

It’s fantastic that we can do that on Linux, I love it. But 99,9999% of the population of this planet has no clue wtf they’re doing. Security updates are like vaccines - everybody needs them so we can build herd immunity.

this was before the 7day(?) delay option appeared

That’s a different thing.

Deferring updates is one thing, updates being distributed to random numbers of devices each day is a different thing. MS has “update rings” with random devices, every ring gets the updates on a different date. You can “force” Windows to grab updates if you click “Check for updates” after Patch Tuesday if you didn’t get them automatically (I think).

Yeah, I know - that’s why I said “after Patch Tuesday”. It usually happens between 0 and 4 days after PT, depending on which “ring” your device is on.

I kind of agree with you, with a caveat - I think people coming from Linux or Mac see Windows, and start poking around trying to make it do things that Linux or Mac do. And when that breaks the OS or is just not possible, they call the “Windows bad” card.

But here’s the thing - I gave my 80 year old mother a Windows laptop. She uses it to check her email, read the news and watch YouTube.

It’s a breeze. Everything just works, the OS updates itself automagically when she’s not looking, the photos from her phone magically appear in her Photos application on the laptop (by way of OneDrive), if she needs to switch to a newer laptop, all the bookmarks and files are already there when she logs in, because of MS Account/OneDrive/Edge profile, etc.

I love Linux, I have it on my gaming PC just to stick it to MS, but I would never think of giving my mother a Linux device because I know shit would break, or get weird, or just require attention from someone who understands how sudo works. On Windows she has a regular user account (there’s a separate admin account she can’t remember the password for so I always know when something requires it because she calls me - it’s around once a year at most), has no knowledge of anything other than “click swirly blue icon to browse funny YouTube videos or check email”, and… everything just works.

That’s a good tip too.

Although people really demonise Windows much more than it deserves (these days).

Did you use any debloaters before that?

The process is simple:

1. Patch Tuesday happens, updates are rolled out.
2. Within 0-4 days (or therabouts) of a Patch Tuesday, updates hit your device.
3. Everything is happening 100% in the background at this point. Updates are getting prepped for installation.
4. If you haven’t rebooted to apply the updates for about 4-7 days, you’ll start getting notifications that you should
5. If you have Active Hours set up, the OS will not bother you while these are active.
6. After something like 10-14 days you might be forced to apply the updates.

To each their own, but I wouldn’t call this “disrespecting the user”. And “forcing updates at an inconvenient time” is just silly, with how much leeway you’re getting.

Also: maybe you’re used to something much faster, but, personally, I don’t find clicking “update and shutdown” when I go to sleep and then coming back to an updated PC in the morning that problematic. The longest I had to sit through the updates was 20 minutes because I wanted to apply a Feature Update.

I guess my point is: there’s A LOT to bash Microsoft and Windows for. No need to invent things that aren’t there.

Pro-tip: clean install Windows, don’t use any “debloaters”, just uninstall the software you don’t want, and leave it like that.

You’ll enjoy a long and happy OS life.

If they’re using WUfB or Autopatch, it should be happening once a month, some time after the Patch Tuesday (depending on internal policy).

If they’re just grabbing whatever Microsoft publishes (like “civilian” gear), you should be getting one update a couple of days after Patch Tuesday.

There might be a second update, if it’s a critical fix, some time after the first, but that’s super rare these days.

If your corpo laptop updates non-stop, talk to your IT, it’s not normal.

Last time I saw a software related BSOD on my personal device was… 10 years ago.

Hardware, obviously, happens, but that’s not Windows at fault.

The longest time I had to wait for an update to finish was 20 minutes - since around Windows 10 dropped.

Seriously, it’s like you guys still think Windows is what Windows ME used to be…

And yet the meme goes “not again!” about Windows, not Linux…

I don’t know when’s the last time you used Windows, but I use it daily (for work), and these days the update process looks like this:

1. Within 2-4 days of a Patch Tuesday when I’m packing up to go home from work I notice that the “Shutdown” button now says “Update and Shutdown”.
2. I click that button, go to the kitchen to drop off the dishes I used during the day.
3. I come back, the laptop’s off, I pack up and go home.

How is Linux less annoying than this?

Right? I honestly don’t get where all those “Windows is constantly updating” memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you’re the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update…

I honestly don’t get where all those “Windows is constantly updating” memes come from. The thing updates once a month - after Patch Tuesday. You can set it in your calendar if you’re the forgetful type and know exactly when to expect updates. On Linux, updates hit non-stop, not a day goes by without some packages needing an update…