As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.
To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.
Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.
Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider
It’s the first time I’m hearing about IONOS. Are they really larger than OVH?
Probably a case of hidden infrastructure.
I believe (no source) IONOS solely belongs to 1&1 AG of which ‘United Internet’ has a majority share (that I am sure of).
IONOS = Business focus. Primarily hosting and services
1&1 = End-Consumer focus. Primarily ISP and some other consumer services.I would assume they count the infrastructure they provide for both 1&1 and IONOS.
Besides that they only have (I think) 2 DCs in Germany and 2 or 3 other locations in the EU and I think 1 in the US.So in the end I would say it’s either Hetzner or OVH and then IONOS as having the most infrastructure.
I’ve moved away from Nextcloud
It is such a pain to maintain and is way complicated
I’ve found the docker version very easily to maintain.
I am not sure what this is supposed to be announcing. I have been using the hosted nextcloud from Ionos for a few year and I can say the experience has not been good. The nextcloud version is outdated by several years, the store is locked and the service minimal.
That being said it was the most competitive provider I could find for nextcloud + collabora as a service (not all provider include it, hetzner does not)
Though I love nextcloud and I switched to a new provider this month, the office apps still need work,the se patate server they require make the ecosystem difficult to read. Still overall I am very happy to see this kind of things surfacing, as nextcloud is a very nice alternative to gsuite or o365 with a lot of avantage. Just don’t go with the Ionos version.
Just branding, market positioning
Oh shit
This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.
AI-powered productivity features.
Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.
I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We’ve taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn’t able to find any reliable way to automate it.
Have you tried Immich? It runs local and is open source. I haven’t yet but was planning to soon as I have the same struggle
Doesnt categorize (if you wanna be specific: Only faces).
But it sure can search pictures by terms.
Have you tried hiring a couple humans? They’re much better than AI. And you help your local (physical or virtual) economy!
Yes, I love giving other people access to my private pictures I explicitly don’t host on Google, Dropbox or other external clouds. I usually pay them from the hoard of gold that’s stashed away under my bed.
I have a nextcloud instance and I can confirm that the ai features are plugins, and are opt-in (and also pretty cool, as ai feature go)
Search your heart. You know which it’ll be.
I don’t even have to search. I already know it’ll be preinstalled/hidden opt-out based on current tech industry trends :/
I’d usually say that “I’m hoping for the best, prepared for the worst” but honestly at this point I think I have 0 hope, and I’m only prepared for the worst.
Thats from the current nextcloud docs:
We strive to bring Artificial Intelligence features to Nextcloud. This section highlights these features, how they work and where to find them. All of these features are completely optional. If you want to have them on your server, you need install them via separate Nextcloud Apps.
No. Anytime who has actually done MSP work understand that most businesses are not purchasing office. They are purchasing a compliance and technology and identity control plane that has just about every add on a business needs.
Personal office use has always been a nice secondary.
MSP?
Managed service provider. Basically corporate IT.
Is this just hosted nextcloud with collabora office pre installed?
Pretty much, though collabora is sold for a few additional euros/month. Not all providers for hosted nextcloud have a solution for the office apps (collabora or only office) so i’ve found it to be Ionos main advantage, along with very nice storage space for the price
It would be nice if they could offer alternatives for individuals with prices comparable to those of Hetzner Storage Share (which is based on NC). Somewhat, I feel every other NC hosting solution is way more expensive per GB.
The Hetzner Storage Share lacks a lot of features that Nextcloud IONOS have. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Hetzner has an office suite for Nextcloud?
Kinda sounds awful honestly.
I do use nextcloud for my small team. It’s the best of the selfhosted file sync platforms.
That said, it’s obscenely over engineered.
Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?
Who ever wanted a file sync platform that also does calendaring and contacts?
“Who ever wanted standard features from office 365 from their office 365 competitor”
Nextcloud isn’t a 365 competitor?
It’s filesync with contacts and calendar.
Even once you build in documents and spreadsheets, 365 at least has separate applications for that - its not a single overblown behemoth.
I use Nextcloud for contacts, calendars, files, bookmarks, passwords, to do lists, Kanban boards, and recipies. You absolutely can turn nextcloud into a 365 competitor if that’s your jam
Those are add-ons.
Besides which, o365 is not a single self hosted php behemoth.
I’m loathe to extoll the virtues of 365. I don’t use it and never will.
It’s an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I’m feeling pretty ambivalent about this.
What’s wrong with IONOS? Their VPS prices are some of the best out there and reliability has never been an issue for me.
I’ve had the opposite experience with their cloud services in a professional context. My biggest gripe is with United Internet, the monopolistic company that owns IONOS, 1&1 (an ISP) as well as the ad-ridden, flaming pile of garbage that are GMX and WEB.DE, two of the most popular email service providers in Germany as well as a constant source of pain for anyone operating an Email server. They will ignore common industry standards and best-practices, silently block your mailserver for absolutely no reason, not respond to inquiries and just generally make the internet a slightly worse place for small to medium sized businesses and selfhosters.
This sounds like issues with SPF, DMARC AND DKIM.
You mean you (or your clients) send email to gmx/web recipients and they arent even received/blocked?
Have you checked if your mail server IPs are on a blacklist?
I wasn’t looking for technical support. You can do everything correctly and still get your mails randomly marked as spam or not delivered at all. This has happened to us, some of our customers, multiple smaller email providers as well as several municipalities (imagine blackholing government emails, what a grand idea). They don’t send sensible return headers, they might not even return your undelivered mail at all, they won’t react to any inquiries to their postmaster contact (or anywhere else really), they will blacklist entire IP blocks sometimes. The only way to sidestep any issues with them is to pay a few thousand bucks to enter their
cool kids clubcertified sender alliance, which is what the big marketing firms use to deliver mass amounts of unwanted ads unhindered through their networks.
Don’t have many problems with IONOS.
Our customers are usually recommended their S3 Object Storage (Very simple price structure)
I personally have the Business E-Mail due to it’s price.
It’s a bit limited and no DKIM but sufficient for most things.It is cheap, but the performance leaves much to be desired and their technical support is piss poor.
Please tell me they’re not writing it in php.
Nah, it’ll be CGI.
Owncloud infinite scale seems, well, much more scalable
